let's go to mark in nevada. mark. >> caller: hi, jim. how are you today? >> real good. how about you? >> caller: not bad, other than the 300-point loss. we're about 80 degrees out here. >> you have the edge on me. go ahead. >> caller: okay. well, question on two retail stocks i don't own. jcpenney and sears, they have a lot in common. i don't understand. penney's has had a good run up in share price. they both lose money. they both have negative short sales. and, my opinion, i think their business mounds are a little flat, but they do own part of the real estate. are they overvalued? and the big question is what would the share price be of each company if you just base it on the value of the real estate? >> you have to believe that retail is going to really come roaring back more than it has. i want to avoid both of them. i don't think hereto -- either one is what you need. let's stay away from both of those and stick with quality. let's go to thelma in north carolina. >> caller: hi, jim. how you doing? >> all right, thelma. how about you? >> caller: i'm doing just fine